therefore I urge you to imitate me, and I have become all things to all men. Paul thinks hes Boss, and doesnt need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.. Paul is a master of both and since you do not understand oral law, its lead you to believe that Paul is a Shammite of all things. The followers of Yeshua and Shaul were not called Christians. Pharisee Saul, inventor of Christianity, the new Pharisees. You seem to parrot some of his words in your replies. He was also a hellene or hellenized jew of the diaspora as part of the culture of the greeks so he was also schooled in Greek logic and would have been knowledgeable in the classics of Plato and Aristotle, Stoism and Epicureanism. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. If you dont ask about Pauls sins, I wont tell about them. (The Hat is, what were Pauls sins?) Here are the basic steps- (there may be one or two other basic steps, but they are very similar to these. Are you the Patricio Abramzon who attended the Evelyn Rubenstein Jewish Community Center in Houston? That is an issue and is creating confusion regarding the Brit Chadashah (Renewed Testament). Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. Helpful. One possibility is that Paul was not of the Hillel form of Pharasism, but rather the more conservative Shammaite party. He was brilliant and a top-educated person of his day. Although in the Bible there are verses speaking about Pauls sister and nephew, there are no references to Pauls wife. How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? Who needs truth in relationship, when I can quickly get market share, and totally dominate the market, through mergers and acquisitions? ), Paul is a Hillel talmudim through and though. What was his last name? Phillip, thank you. So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. But is it correct to characterize Paul as an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view, namely, that Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him. I dont see specifically that Paul trained leaders of house churches to carry on the work after he left- but maybe Im missing something. Since I am teaching through Paul and his Letters again this fall, I thought I would revisit that older post and provide some additional thoughts on Gamaliel as background for reading Paul. . Even though Gamaliel was the one who stated in Acts 5:34-39 that if this Jesus movement were from God there would be no way to stop it, they should just let it run its course, Paul was still influenced heavily by the persecution mindset that the rest of the Sanhedrin had. With respect to Hellenism, Hillel was more open to Hellenism than Shammai and was therefore more open to cooperation with the Romans. whats d equivalence of studying at d feet of Gamaliel to todays education. You who were formerly known as gentiles. Deuteronomy 29:29. God told them to go one way, and they disobeyed God and did the opposite- but God still worked through them eventually, after they repented. Mark could be understood as the first core teachings of Peter and the other Apostles. The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem, The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [Revelation 21:14], The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. This is not the sort of education most people would even want, so it is not really a college degree. He was most highly trained as a Pharisee, so maybe and OT PhD at the best university today? Paul describes his own life in Philippians 3:5-6, where he lists seven things ascribed to him or achieved by him: He states that he was "circumcised on the eighth day.". Besides Jesus, all the characters in the Bible had frailties- like Jonah and Paul. That is not really the case. They also believed gentiles could convert and be in covenant but there needed to be structure to convert. If yes, then are Pauls subjective states really discernible as correlates to these two different schools based only on Pauls texts? Jesus commissioned the eleven With everything I have commanded you Teaching THEM to obey Jesus And THEM means me and you ! He says he is "of the tribe of Benjamin.". And one for Muhammad too. Im following Jesus. But what do I do with this truth? God has not changed, and neither has the text of The Bible. Furthermore, youre also essentially calling Paul a liar. Contemporary Jewish records continue to list him first among the Sanhedrin.[24]. Why is this a strange idea? Is the Word of God a revelation to man? and to make a point in this conversation,where did you get the idea that Saul (Paul) was Jewish.? Which is the most important? When Paul began the training that ultimately led him down the road of encounter with the risen Christ on the way to Damascus, we actually have no details. When Paul was arrested, he told the people and the authorities, "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated at the feet of Gamaliel according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God as all of you are this day" (Acts 22:3). blasphemy! Makes sense, but I could not prove this. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. Whom did Paul study under? Your ignorant slander of Paul shows a deep seated hatred toward God and His word. Paul might indeed have been a follower of the School of Shammai, but his mentioning Gamaliels name might have been intended to his (Pauls) having studies in Jerusalem when Gamaliel was head of the Sanhedrin. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. So it is possible they left out the respected Pharisee Gamaliel so that he would not oppose crucifixion. I keep wondering how far N.T. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. Dear Philip, Below are quotes and links from two other blog gentlemen (Christopher, and UnashamedofJesus) who disagree with each other. Eryk, have you ever heard of dual citizenship? Gamaliel . This is simply not the case and you need to read a bit more widely than you have. But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). I think we take Pauls claim here WAY too seriously. But let us not confuse the issue with facts. Thanks for the pointer. Jesus reminds us from The Law at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27], As to the question of whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS. Scripture does not state whether Saul was or was not in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus crucifixion. This was where the institution derived its name, gymnos being the Greek word for naked. For Jews, nakedness was religiously offensive (11). By Paul being Jewish and involved in the gymnasium, he was going against the norm. Paul is not a liar; he just has a dual citizenship. We cannot prove that Judas was present at that time, and we cannot prove that Matthias was absent at that time when Jesus spoke those words. 5:7) Paul realizes he has missed The Fast in Acts 27:9 while on the prison ship. It was very interesting to me that it was likely that Paul was raised in a very Jewish home, trained in all the Jewish ways and teachings, and a student of Gamalieland yet he did react to Christianity in such a violent and zealous form. I have regularly recommended you start your own blog and have these sorts of discussions there. Is AARP PO Box 93143 Long Beach CA 90809-9720 a valid address? For Rabbi Saul, the idea that the messiah could be killed is wrong but is it enough to account for a violent reaction like Acts 7 and the stoning of Stephen? There is no conservative or liberal spectrum regarding Judaism or the 32 sects of Judaism during the time of Yeshua. For this he is slandered with pride by Christians who if believed in the Bible would reject mainstream theology for the lie it is. There is so much theological supposing these days! Good point. His primary Wrong. (Eastern Orthodox). What does tents mean in the Bible? Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. Why follow a self-appointed voice that has given itself a special title like immaculate conception prophet apostle to the gentiles? (check out wikipedia on yeshiva, that will give you a feel for a Torah / talmudic education, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva), I could careless who Saul aka Paul studied with ,the fact that someone studies does not hold anything within that person thinking or make up. The relics were found on 3 August AD 415. Gamaliel became a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish court in Jerusalem. Peter was from the school of Shammi and Shaul was clearly from Hillel and we see this when these two Pharisee argue with each other on various topics. Reblogged this on By the Mighty Mumford and commented: AN INTELLECTUAL OF THE TIME, PAUL LEARNED FROM THE BEST AND MOST COMPASSIONATE TEACHER AROUND! No mention of a cloudy past No hint of condemnation. One special person, alone, with special words, and a special title, who could never be WRONG. He appointed twelve designating them apostles that they might be with him [Mark 3:13-14], Three chapters later, Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. Sages of the time didn't have formal recognition or title. According to Josephus (Life 38.190-191), Gamaliel belonged to "a highly respected family"; there is no good reason to reject the early Jewish tradition that he was the grandson (or perhaps . Darris McNeely - Dec 7, 2022 | In this class we will discuss Acts 5:26-41 thru Acts 6:1-7 and notice the following events: the apostles being persecuted by the Sanhedrin for teaching in Christ's name; how a Pharisee named Gamaliel spoke up on behalf of the apostles; and the choosing of seven men to help the disciples distribute food. Although there are many remarkably similarities between Paul and HIllel, there are serious differences between what might be considered the mainstream of Judaism which survived A.D. 70 (Hillel for the most part) and Pauline Christianity. We cannot be completely certain exactly which Scriptures Paul meant in All Scripture, and what Paul meant by God-breathed. Why cant we be certain? How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel? He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. How did Gamaliel impact Paul? He left James as Nassi of his Sanhedrin, who is a Pharisee. So when Paul wrote his two letters to the Church in Corinth, who was overseeing all aspects of the church? Judas obviously didnt stand by Jesus in his trial, as the whole world knows. . Some of its magic, some its tragic, but Ive had a good life along the way. -Jimmy Buffett. They elevate the 4 Gospels above all other Scriptures, giving the 2 highest places of honor to the Gospels of Matthew and John and they have a special high place for Revelation too. What were Pauls specific sins as a Christian? To be more like Jesus is what some strive except for me Ive already arrived Im the perfect model since the road to Damascus What were Pauls sins? You are unable to understand this since you assume all Christians believe wrongly about Jesus and Paul. My question is who is the artist who did the painting pictured here, possibly of Gamaliel? For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. So, you are posting comments just to correct people you think are wrong? The command given by our Lord and Savior Is not a Pharisee speaking alone It came rather through your apostles Matthew Peter and John, If a Pharisee boasts proudly Those men added nothing to my message He doesnt speak for Jesus His words are nothing more than garbage, Bibliography All quotes in quotation marks are from the writings of the Apostles Matthew John and Peter in the Bible, mostly the Red Letter words of Jesus. Gamaliel. IT should be heretical. And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being you who have followed me, not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world. If Paul's conversion, as described in Acts was a literal event, the account would not so clearly appear to be based on the Greek classics. I need to refine that. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. To date, there is either historical nor tradional evidence to support Sauls presence. The notion was given classic expression only a little more than a century ago by the biblical scholar John William Burgon. There is no greater lie than to lie about God. The leaders of the various house churches, Apollos by name, perhaps Chloes household is another church. Gamaliel. But after Paul went solo without Barnabas [Acts 15] I see no record that Paul ever appointed any elders in any church anywhere. 2 : any of numerous moths whose gregarious larvae spin communal nests usually in trees. No one. There are many of us Red Letter Christians out here in evangelical land. I think that we should use Pauls training from Gamaliel as a background to understanding his theology because most of his theology is based off of his human teacher and was added on by the Holy Spirit. Acts 22:3. Take a piece of scripture and make nutty doctrines/traditions out of them. More Wright supposition! Have you even stepped inside shul? Gamaliel was himself a Pharisee in the tradition of the great Hillel. We have no evidence that I know of to describe his attitude toward those things prior to his Damascus Road and Arabia experiences. The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? We know that as a young man Paul studied under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel in Tarsus, who provided him with an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures ( Acts 22:3 ). In 2019 he published a commentary. The people who Paul persecuted were Diaspora Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and claimed that God raised Jesus from the dead. Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read.. Although Gamaliel was a wise teacher, he was still a Pharisee, so his teaching was not in line with God. First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? If you dont agree with my interpretations and applications of the facts, fine. But until 1956 he was Saint Gamaliel according to the Catholic Churchs Roman Martyrology. He uses these references quite often throughout many of his books in the NT. In his letters to the Corinthians he says, To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I will say, The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death makes perfect sense since we know that there were other Pharisees who were Christians in Acts 15, and Paul still claims to be a Pharisee when he testifies before the Sanhedrin in Acts 23:6. I admit this is all speculation and I dont have a shred of evidence for any of this but it makes me wonder if Paul was trying to start something extraordinary within Judaism (As he mentions in his defense in Acts 22) and God harnessed that ambition for the glory and advancement of His Church. Of course Gamaliel might have buried St. Stephen as an act of charity, given his stature in the community, not withstanding the hostility of the public. I would like to check that reference if possible. Paint the house first, and Ill stay in the garage until youre done. A better resource would be Shaye Cohen, The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties (University of California Press, 2001). Its encouraging that God can use imperfect messengers like them, because it proves He can also use an imperfect man like me to advance His kingdom, when I humble myself, repent, and obey His commands. Social Science. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. It is best to study what the schools of Judaism taught during that era of that temple. My buddy has a new friend from a Baptist background that seems really smart and good with words. 3. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. This has literally been the Orthodox position for almost 2000 years. In Paul's letters we see that he had a deep understanding of the law. Paul, (Timothy1:1) Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" to? Its based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus. And we can but make some comparisons in ourselves. Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. I have come to save the day! Rather than the many trails of supposition. Rome is the city that sits on seven hills, the perfect place for Peter the Roman, the New World Pope for the New World Order, to replace the original Apostle Peter in the apostate church of the Antichrist. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. No, I DONT want Paul to act like a Pope controlling all aspects of the church from a distance yet reading Pauls 2 letters to the church, it is clear to me this is exactly what he was doing. That is OK, if it is not handy then I can look it up myself. Upgrade to remove ads. The biblical Christian has but one authority and tradition, trust and SolaHoly Scripture! Gamaliel Paul, in a speech to the Jews, tried to influence them by stating that he had been a student of Gamaliel ("I am a Jew, . Forgive me, but it easier to cite the following from the Wikipedia. Why elevate the words of Marypaulhammad to the highest place, and use them as the lens to view and judge everything else? Another aspect of Hillel. Acts 26:4. Your comments are ridiculous and borderline stupidity. The underlying unspoken assumption is that The Bible (66 Books) was given to us by God as one book and its all equal in level of authority, priority, and importance. We proclaim with a big smile And Jesus is my co-pilot So Im always top of the pile, God our Father loves his children He is patient as we grow So we take another step Its The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, As we journey with The Moose Faithfully by our side We get a revelation We have to swallow our pride, He must become greater He really is The Star I must become less, but still with Him Ill travel far, You must follow me, says Jesus In His eyes I see a twinkle He is not My friend I am HIS Jesus is The Star like Bullwinkle. Paul did a much better job of marketing himself, and he wrote about himself hundreds of times. Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. Nave's Topical Index. Id better buy a case of chalk and some more erasers. Yes the Holy Spirit guided him in his writings, but part of being human is how we are shaped from our teachers and mentors. Here is how Jesus answered that question: #1 One of the teachers of the law asked him [Jesus], Of all the commandments, which is the most important?, The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, of Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Yes I believe that Paul was influenced by his teacher Gamaliel and his experience of being a Pharisee, but I do not think these were the only factors shaping how and what Paul taught and wrote. I can back up my view with plenty of Scripture here is just one, written by the Apostle Peter- 2 Peter 3:2. Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; Numbers 7:59 chapter context similar meaning "And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur." Since Paul clearly gives his yeshiva and his lineage, it shows he wasnt a Christian before and after Damascus. Dr. Terms in this set (31) Where was Paul born? They make Paul the center, not Jesus. Yeshua might know what he was doing. I dont think hes involved in church much, but I could talk with that guy. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. Removing that aspect will cause misunderstanding of what they were teaching. Probably his training with Gamaliel would have been concluded by the time he was twenty and would have given Paul a very good understanding of Old Testament Scripture. Paul would say his success came from the power of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. Belivers in Yeshua adhered to Lev, 23 and worshipped on the true shabbat. Nave's Topical Index. And one throne for that other guy named Peter. For these reasons, it seems highly unlikely that Paul isolated himself for the purpose of study during these "Lost Years.". I think the point was not that Jesus was the Messiah, but rather that Peter and John are stating that the High Priest killed the Messiah and God vindicated him by raising him from the dead. Jesus spoke the 3 chapters of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7, including 7:12. There is no god but God Shahada part 1 in Islam. Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. Then again youre the one creating a construct that Paul was Shammai. Where is your yeshiva in Houston? No one in the pages of the Bible ever said or wrote that all Scripture, or the Bible, is all truly Gods words. We are supposed to paint the house first. brought up . For example, Gi. Written in stone. What could be more permanent than that? See also John 17:17; Eph 5:17; Acts 2:41. In Acts 5:34 he appears as an advocate of the nascent congregation of Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem and is called "a Pharisee, a teacher of the Law, held in honor by all the people.". How many years did Paul come after Jesus? Begins with a consonant. He states that if the apostolic movement is from God then it cannot be stopped, if it is not form God then it cannot succeed. The people who will protest most loudly against this truth are the modern Pauls: traveling evangelists, speakers, writers, abusive absentee mega-church pastors, Crusaders, and self-appointed apostles like Paul, who find it profitable to be like Paul rather than follow Jesus the Jewish Messiah. Gamaliel is not a Christian, but he certainly demonstrates that attitude in this story! There is also a fair bit of controversy about Paul. (Matthew 27:45). What is a common analogy for a permanent decision? I didnt know everything 7 years ago either but I have grown and learned new things about God and His Word in the past 7 years, as is normal for a growing believer. He came so we can turn from darkness And into His glorious light. (John 10:33) This is still the issue with many Jews, God simply cannot become fully Incarnate. In fact in the book of John Jesus is pointed out as a Pharisee. Only 3 of these men wrote Scripture in the Bible Matthew, John and Peter. Although he was born in Tarsus in Cilicia, Paul spent a considerable amount of time in Jerusalem under the tutelage of Gamaliel in the strict manner of the law of the Jews (Acts 22:3). If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. Tarsus of Cilicia. According to the Hebrew Bible, the tabernacle (Hebrew: , mishkn, meaning "residence" or "dwelling place"), also known as the Tent of the Congregation ( 'hel m', also Tent of Meeting, etc. In Philippians Paul describes himself as a Diaspora Jew who claimed to have been raised in a family which kept the Jewish traditions faultlessly. Paul may very well have studied under Gamaliel and from there established the groundwork from which to build a new movement. So what is the application of this parable? Love, Love, Love. (In other words, the second commandment, the love of man, without the love of God. Paul undermined Apollos and heretically claimed I became your father. (I know, captain obvious). So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. Was he not in the Sanhedrin when Jesus came before them? According to Jesus, which Commandment is the Most Important? Yes you clearly are removing them from Jewish culture and using Constantine-Christianity and replacement theology to float most of your website. Jesus came to fulfill Law and Prophets and He will. Acts presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. I am not uncomfortable with you at all, although some other users have suggest you be banned for your rather odd way of thinking. (Acts 16:1-10). Polhill does say So perhaps around the age of fourteen to sixteen Pawl went to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel (Polhill 30). So even if he did go off at the age of 15 then that is still 15 years of being influenced by his father. Jesus never calls us out For what we used to be. Notice that at the Last Supper, when Judas lost his throne and Matthias was definitely absent, Jesus chose to speak of thrones rather than twelve thrones as he had previously. Gamaliel established a number of lenient ordinances, in particular . There were no other New Testament books, and the Hebrew Scriptures were the Old Testament which was irrelevant, according to the heretic Marcion.) Sure im interested in dialgoue, however, if youre going to use replacement theology then were going to be at odds because im going to refute with what the bible actually says. I dont have any position or influence in the Christian world. 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