You know, "The pots aren't art." And it's been very liberating, it's been very freeing. A little morenot overblown, but unfinished and a little more amorphous. Let's talk about some of your early days. MIJA RIEDEL: Interesting. NEIL WILLIAMS: for the rest of their life. NEIL WILLIAMS: They are over at the end of Elm Street at 49. WebWilliams was born in 1934 in Canada and educated in Wales, where he first learned to fly in 1951. MIJA RIEDEL: There was a Spark episode that was about Viola. Brilliant. I love that scene, "Bring out your dead." NEIL WILLIAMS: He would write stuffI mean, I'd find little notes all over the place, little critiques about, you know. Well, we'll see. That's helpful. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. But, it was an area that I just felt I was strong in. I mean, you get on it, and you know it's right, and it's not satisfying like Thiebaud said, but you're still pushing on it and chewing on it. Read more of Church News coverage of devotionals here, President and Sister Worthen on prophets, promises and logokophosis, at BYU devotional, Elder Andersen encourages BYUPathway students to believe in yourself; trust in the Lord, Elder Andersens visit to the Pacific leaves members with increased faith in Jesus Christ. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, I stay in touch with people who I know give a damn, and for the right reasons. Yeah. I think about that still when I work, little things. I would certainly buy it as a reader but. MIJA RIEDEL: [. NEIL WILLIAMS: I could have gone either way. And so I always liked that. And we're so full of ourselves now, like we've invented shit. NEIL WILLIAMS: Depends on the instructor. NEIL WILLIAMS: from Arts and Crafts, art school days, I gravitated back here. I said, "What is that?" Some cookies are placed by third party services that appear on our pages. Whatever you do, just work hard. He was opening a gallery, I love your work, I'd like to get some pieces. I mean, how many artistslooking back and they're still talking and writing about? MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah. And she could work so long, and then the next morning, it was like she was right back into it. MIJA RIEDEL: Why do you say it demands sincerity and honesty? Everyone else was these little old ladies, still life flower painters who wanted to just take this little workshop with this painter, and he said Thiebaud had worked him to death. But it wasshe was soamped up on what she was able to do. But technically, I like pushing that to the point where it just looks like it's ready to collapse. From straight-line stuff in 1980 or '83horizontal, vertical, and cut in thirds and large planes of colorto diagonal and feathering and curvilinear, which they tooka long time to get to. NEIL WILLIAMS: Like, "Oh, what a beautiful red" and she would layer colors like she would painting. And he Fed Exes a check for 10 grand overnight to me and scribbles on the back of the envelope, "Make me something beautiful when you get time." For Neil Williams, the pressures on and off the track had NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh my gosh, where did it come from? Neil Williams always brought light to every room entered. And then, their influence, because Viola, and being around her, looking at art history, falling in love with everyone from Kandinsky to Gorky to Rothko. The gallery washe was going to do sales and donate it towards the Shanti Center or to hospices, or to Bates' Hospices, or to the arts down there where he was. And so, I detached from trying to identify how I fit in that. No. It's a drive and it's a calling, it's a compulsion. She would roll out long lines of this paste and use them as, literally, as drawn lines. Clay people were always very positive and helpful of each other, and loved looking at each other's work. 0000116531 00000 n And he says, "Hey, I never believed them when they told me how bad I was. MIJA RIEDEL: We didn't talk at all, yesterday [. It washaving an arsenal, collecting an arsenal of weaponry. And there were some of those sections, were 150 pounds and they were 10 feet in the air, all in sections, and I had pull them apart without breaking or chipping anything, get down the ladder, get them in the kiln. There'sI've always had intention and the whole intent-content argument, how to evaluate, the one Garth Clark borrowed from Henry Moore on how to evaluate work. NEIL WILLIAMS: [Laughs.] He is creative, passionate about his work, quirky, self-motivated but above all, has a huge heart and is so pleasant to work with. I just hope they say I've made nice stuff, and it holds up over time. NEIL WILLIAMS: But being around the clay people, and being around a pot shop. [Laughs.]. And itand then something got softer about it, I thought. NEIL WILLIAMS: So, there are a few out there. 0000007053 00000 n MIJA RIEDEL: Just the description of the columns as keyholes or thresholds. MIJA RIEDEL: And would she workyou said she'd work on multiple pieces at once, correct? ], NEIL WILLIAMS: "might want toshe looks awful mean. MIJA RIEDEL: And you did many, many group shows [. And now him, her, and Squeak kind of went back and forth at a certain time when Squeak was getting out and getting established. NEIL WILLIAMS: But he liked them and started buying them from Betty Asher. I'm. NEIL WILLIAMS: wasn't as finished, and it seemed driven by a need and a compulsion to keepto keep working, to keep building, to keep itkeep it big andso, I don't know if that helps answer that question. They were on the outs. But I like them. [Laughs.]. I wanted to touch on those today. But she told her students and wasI remember it stuck with methereto get yourself out of thoseshe said clay was such a natural conductor for that. They felt, they seemed like a variation, quite a variation fromwere they a commission or where they, NEIL WILLIAMS: No, they were not commissions. She wasthe figures were getting bigger. But her compulsion, her raw compulsion, I believe was the perception and the practice of perception of the color and the practice of wanting to paint it all over something. H\@y P]% 1qt&b> B@/|&k~]JtwnvihavopS)\>rvq|6zL6?IUGw{)s\{9~7?^O|uFfhm0%$*6zM*. I understand now I didn't have much exposure to it, but even looking and taking art history courses at that time, it was unusual. [Laughs.] NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean, I used toI found a note crumpled upor stepped on, on the floor of her truck. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. You work with it, it's a direct immediate response to your energy, your strengths, your fingerprint. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. Duchamp was right, it can be a drug for a lot of people throughout history. Tel Aviv Museum wants an installation." I think she had two full-time and another part-time at the same time afterwards, so, NEIL WILLIAMS: It was I was really proud because I had felt really honored to be able to work with her. MIJA RIEDEL: Is it a particular kind of clay body that you've. Create your account , it takes less than a minute, Dont let the game play you; gamble responsibly. Remember, there is a power that can cause those things to happen that need to happen, and that power comes from your faith in Jesus Christ., As an Apostle of the Lord, Elder Andersen blessed students to feel the Saviors hands reaching out as they reach out to Him. NEIL WILLIAMS: No, no. R&S takes all care in the preparation of information appearing on the site, but accepts no responsibility nor warrants the accuracy of the information displayed. MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah. And like I said also, he was the first one to encourage Peter Voulkos to hand build when he was at Arts and Crafts in the '50s. But it was one of the most unique, unusual pairings of couples I've ever seen. He had a great background from San Jose State. MIJA RIEDEL: Listening to [. What do you need to eat? But, certainly the FBI and everyone else keeps records on it, but they won't release the records ofthe full records of why people disappeared, so many. Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: 5 sound files (4 hr., 9 min. ], MIJA RIEDEL: That's right, and particularly in Oakland. 0000002946 00000 n NEIL WILLIAMS: And, I felt complete and accomplished because she hadwas just coming out in a big way from hiding out and working, keeping everything for nine years. NEIL WILLIAMS: And I think that's also whatand the discipline was there, and I think that also what helpedin the future when we talk about Viola, why she connected with me, and why I connected with her and why she was immediately "Would you come help me and work with me? [Laughs. I said, "You're kidding me." NEIL WILLIAMS: I always thought they had this beautiful bittersweetness to them. I regret nothing. NEIL WILLIAMS: I may be mistaken, butthose kinds of, MIJA RIEDEL: The density. So, there's a number of stories like that in the area. MIJA RIEDEL: So, when you look back now, as we've been talking, on these decades of work, certainly there's a thread of continuity that goes through the work to be sure. But in an education environment, I always tried to find out what their stories were, encouraged them to tell their story in some way, find images or experiences that were personal to them and share them. You know, large, tall, six, eight-foot pieces with lots of drawing and clay on it, literally crawling with energy. She nixed those, because she didn't have time for them. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, for some reason, it attracted a number of groups of artists, writers, dancers, visual artists, and it's got that special open energy of that. WebThis website contains horse racing systems, staking plans and many articles about Australian horse racing of interest to gamblers [Laughs.]. We thought he was going to have a stroke. I think about little quotes and stuff all the time about, you know, some from Charles or some from other artists orthey stick with me. NEIL WILLIAMS: And many, many of them, some really talented people came out of that program. And will be dearly missed by MIJA RIEDEL: There was a wheel in the high school that nobody was using. There was something about the big block of color, although there was good color change and wonderful painting in it. I bless you as you keep Him central in your life, all will be well., Subscribe for free and get daily or weekly updates straight to your inbox, The three things you need to know everyday, Highlights from the last week to keep you informed. NEIL WILLIAMS: That says very well. And we became really good friendsbecause it wasn't just about working hard for her, it was about giving her a sounding board, and then we talked a lot about things outside of the arts, but, NEIL WILLIAMS: She saw that I wasI worked hard and I had a good discipline, and I got a good sense, I think, of what she was doing immediately. The little discards, the little salt and pepper shakers, the little tchotchkes, all of the. Only with an eternal perspective of Gods great plan of happiness can we ever find a more excellent hope. Berkeley.". NEIL WILLIAMS: And then it's lightly water-polished with a damp sponge, NEIL WILLIAMS: after it's sanded, which is the excruciating part, because you're sanding these little fine, fine tines or fine, fine feathers without breaking them. [Laughs. And it's I don't know howI mean, that dichotomy and thatthat dance is still going on, and, MIJA RIEDEL: And I'm sure there are people who would disagree with that heartily, but it's interesting, NEIL WILLIAMS: Well, I hope so, but what is interesting is that it asks those questions. Talking about Marquez and. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh, she hadI mean she had Charles and Rena and Art [Nelson] and Squeak and. And they were totally inefficient after the fact, but they conceived of them and instigated and had themgot them built. I like working hard. NEIL WILLIAMS: And, she's got a great level of appreciation for arts, and she's been really, really good, reallyshe's tough though, too. NEIL WILLIAMS: I was going to take the summer and travel and do, but they said, "No, you have to use your scholarships." Or Patterson coming into Viola's life after meeting Rena? Toby Covich and I see each other all the time. And then she wouldI don't know if she really wanted the responsibility of anyone else. NEIL WILLIAMS: And it made sense. It's serious life-force work, and if it's good it's all-consuming and it works on multiple levels. Not to worry. And just keep them interesting for yourself." MIJA RIEDEL: So, your Freshman year, the end of the first term? They had an interna volunteer installing her plate collection, and there was, I don't know, 50, 60, 70-something plates. Or does [. Statistics based on race type and more.. Rhys Williams Tips. How do they survive and make a living? [Affirmative.] And he was the director of SACOG Council of Governments in Sacramento. MIJA RIEDEL: That's the first time I've ever heard that. NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean that whole wallI don't know if you have seen an old photographs of that, but you walk into the second floor in the earlier Crocker and it wasoh my God, it wasyou know, they looked like little moons, little colored moons everywhere. You part with friendships of 30 years because there's no other options, whatever. Neil Williams Obituary: In the loving memory of Neil Williams, we are saddened to inform you that Neil Williams, a beloved and loyal friend, has passed away. MIJA RIEDEL: Yeah. And they said "You better take it, because it's renewable for four years.". [Affirmative.] Washington, DC 20001, 300 Park Avenue South Suite 300 But he's a wholethat's a whole other two days' worth of talking about him and his collection. NEIL WILLIAMS: Uh-huh. NEIL WILLIAMS: Episodes not likeas in seizures? MIJA RIEDEL: So there is some level of functional work that has helped fuel the. Like even when I do production work, or picturing other pieces I'd like to explore. MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. It's not art." MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. You know, every five-year period, the work, there's this little jump. NEIL WILLIAMS: Most of them, yeah, because she got to a pointthere was some re-fires, but she got to a point where she could usually get it in an initial bisque, which had a white wash glaze on it, with a block pattern of some colors, and then a follow-up second attack of colors. I remember, I used to read all kinds of stuff. September first? MIJA RIEDEL: Okay. MIJA RIEDEL: What do you see as the similarities and the differences between your earliest work and your current work? In the meantime, she was producing stuff like crazy. Or I'll say whyI don't understand what all the fuss was about; certain artists and certain aspects of work, soI realized I could drive myself crazy off of thinking about that. MIJA RIEDEL: It talks about begging bowls [ph]. Marketing cookies are used to track visitors across websites. That was theirthat's how they're going to keep from getting bored. "No." NEIL WILLIAMS: And show sheand I knew there was something extremely special, and I didn't have an art background. I didn't think a lot of artists worked that way. But those guys still have impacts. NEIL WILLIAMS: Oh yes, and they had been for quite some time before that. And I said, "Oh yeah, of course, there's a bunch of us going to come up," and luckily a whole bunchbut it was like, "They're going to come too, aren't they? And my own inclination to seeing and knowing that color could bring something to life. And thank God we have critics and writers to fill in the gaps for us. This interview is part of the Archives of American Art's Viola Frey Oral History Project. He was giving assignments to these little ladies. [Affirmative.] NEIL WILLIAMS: Very good partner and a beautiful girl. You have to give it all, and then you have to immediately let go of it. NEIL WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. MIJA RIEDEL: Did youand that that was part of that whole dynamic and part of what made it unusual? NEIL WILLIAMS: It's the invisible ground of sympathy that commonizes pauper and noble, is our loneliness. You'll be redirected to related page soon Don't have an account? NEIL WILLIAMS: She liked looking more at images than reading. MIJA RIEDEL: Mm-hmm. "You get here and we make a few things and I'm completely smoothed out." And as they dried, we would be taking, disassembling them and bisqueing them, while she continued building the others, and then she would shift back to the painting. So you got to be thick-skinned in the middle of all that. He was playing music with some friends, and "How could you not show up to such a prestigious honor?" NEIL WILLIAMS: It'sI don't know if I'm stubborn or fool hearty or whatever it is, but it's staying alive and interesting to meor for me. "Ah, that makes sense to me. NEIL WILLIAMS: and attempting to tell stories. 0000004841 00000 n Who do you complain to? MIJA RIEDEL: These are exquisitely beautiful pieces, and I can seeif this is what you were doing already in high school, why. It's like, "Ah, okay. She was already ill and she was working in a wheelchair. NEIL WILLIAMS: and she seemed to intuitively know how to handle her and what would be the best way for her. I mean, she wasso nice to me and sobecause the vessel wasn't her thing really. So, in exercises like that, and in encouraging students to connect with or bring an image or animportant event in their life, it's about personal experience. NEIL WILLIAMS: I mean it's spectacular. She still was immediately drawn back to building things in clay, and painting, and doing the pastels, and junk pieces. And Jason, I don't think, got enough of it. There's a great one. %%EOF Or should I change that?" NEIL WILLIAMS: Yeah. MIJA RIEDEL: Well, do we know for sure it happened at U.C. I never saw that it was an effort to work outthe dark side or her dark past, whatever it might have been. It's been very nice to be able to look backand I was telling Cheri, "I realize that""being able to look back, I've done more and I've experience more than I may be aware of right now." He says that, "Volume has gone to her paintings, and the plates were the bridge." NEIL WILLIAMS:I'm not out there to rile anybody up or anything. Neil is a thoroughly decent person who won't let you down and a creative without 'the attitude'' that so often comes with such talents. So they're just straight-line cuts all the way down, in thirds. It's like, "Wow, I can't believe I made that.". NEIL WILLIAMS: It wasI mean it was even disturbing at times, but. WebHe was 69. "But I'm not dead yet. And water-polished bisqued, thenwipe down again with a damp sponge, so there's no dust on it. The burden lies on the student to learn." Where you went to school and what that was like? NEIL WILLIAMS: And she thought in theIthe process of that was personalizing the image. Arneson, one day saidthey were telling Arneson about, "Well, she's got a""she's pouring concrete in the bottom of her men and bolting them into steel plates." About a year later, he met Kathy Williams. She thought that if more of them had this simple little formula, this simple little exercise might have helped in another crisis period in time that so many artists, I meanRothko, Van Gogh, Gorkywe lost all of them in a certain period of time, when they reach that crisis period. MIJA RIEDEL: Did she make textiles? And I remember the first few years I was saying, "All right, I just want them to seem alive and interesting. And she'd bring these boxes and of doughnuts up and, "Neil, I'll make coffee, I've got doughnuts." . [END OF TRACK william14_1of3_sd_track02.]. NEIL WILLIAMS: He said it was hysterical. My father was a county exec to the Board of Supervisors for Placer County. Some of them were meant to be shooting stars, of course. You know, called out of the blue. There was a symbol of power to her, the man in the suit. This passion naturally rubs off on his wider team, and the fact he's also a great guy and a pleasure to work with, made him a great mentor to me during our time working together. He's a magnificent friend, and he's an interesting guy. And so, and she, I think, got a lot of it. She was doing wonderful paintings, big paintings. What a brilliant way of answering that brief. Because I had been back up here, but I would go back to help. . But. WebOverview Collection Information. MIJA RIEDEL: You don't have to go anywhere to view beautiful nature surroundings. NEIL WILLIAMS: I think by the time he had finished he was in every major museum in the world, Whitney Biennial multiple times, Venice Bienalle. Toby was a student of Arneson's, and went on to teach ceramics forjust retiring, 37 years at the local high school. 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